14 day limit - how many nights?

[GotSmart]

   Yep

[tx2sturgis]

Fuzzy math, government rules, seem to go hand in hand.

Suppose you arrived at a new-to-you BLM camping area, 500 miles or more from your last spot 2 states away, in the afternoon at beautiful campsite A, on the 1st day of the month, lets say it is a Monday.

A ranger slowly drives by, so you know the clock is running. You camp until Sunday at noon. That's 7 days and 6 nights.

You get kinda lonely or the vibes aint right, and now you move to some other campsite B, 30 miles away, staying at a Walmart or Cabelas on the way. You stay at campsite B from Monday till Sunday. Friends have arrived at Campsite A and call you, they offer some great meals and great company, so you decide to go back.

Then you move back to wonderful campsite A. You arrive on Monday again, staying till Sunday. You have now spent a total of 14 days in Campsite A, but only 12 nights.

Ooops. You cant risk staying an extra 2-3 days just to get 14 nights out of the deal. Telling a ranger that you have not camped 14 nights probably wont get you any sympathy. Better leave and come back later after the 28 day total has elapsed!

[Wabbit]

/\Lol.

Edit: To clarify, not laughing at anyone. Just 14 days is 14 days. I think that's why they say 14 days and don't split hairs about "nights".

[GotSmart]

Fuzzy math, government rules, seem to go hand in hand.

Suppose you arrived at a new-to-you BLM camping area, 500 miles or more from your last spot 2 states away, in the afternoon at beautiful campsite A, on the 1st day of the month, lets say it is a Monday.

A ranger slowly drives by, so you know the clock is running. You camp until Sunday at noon. That's 7 days and 6 nights.

You get kinda lonely or the vibes aint right, and now you move to some other campsite B, 30 miles away, staying at a Walmart or Cabelas on the way. You stay at campsite B from Monday till Sunday. Friends have arrived at Campsite A and call you, they offer some igreat meals and great company, so you decide to go back.

Then you move back to wonderful campsite A. You arrive on Monday again, staying till Sunday. You have now spent a total of 14 days in Campsite A, but only 12 nights.

Ooops. You cant risk staying an extra 2-3 days just to get 14 nights out of the deal. Telling a ranger that you have not camped 14 nights probably wont get you any sympathy. Better leave and come back later after the 28 day total has elapsed!

According to fuzzy government math, and my experience dealing with the rangers that have to enforce the rules~~~. It is not a day until 24 hours have passed.  If you present this argument to ranger rick while not sounding like a jerk, you will not have a problem..  

The first situation is only 6 days.  You left before the clock even turned over into the start of day 7.  You are confusing daylight with a full day.  

He will probably smile and say ok.. their job is to not have people trashing the place and to not have upstairs get complaints. If he says no, you have not lost anything.  

YARC Camp is a perfect example.  Who got tagged?  The vehicle that did not have a person to represent it, and was not properly tagged.  Camp went on many weeks after the April 15 deadline 

Don’t sweat the petty things, 

[Blacktank]

/\Lol.

Edit: To clarify, not laughing at anyone. Just 14 days is 14 days. I think that's why they say 14 days and don't split hairs about "nights".

pretty sure 14 days =14 days and yes,i gave guru status to two guys who can't agree on what 14 days means

not 13,not 15 but 14 days,think they are both showing they are more boomer than X,hear coconut oil can help with that http://www.giannahomes.org/memory-care/a...lzheimers/

[Wayne49]

I now think of it like booking a package vacation. 14 days, 13 nights in a specific forest/desert location.
I'm at peace with it.

Why are you guys so worked up about the question? Even to the point of alleging mental illness.

It can be optimized by arriving soon after midnight day one and leaving just prior to midnight on day 14, then driving just outside the 25 mile radius to the next site. Repeat. Not optimal for me, though. Definitely not optimal for the people who will be disturbed by the late arrivals and departures.

[tx2sturgis]

It is not a day until 24 hours have passed.

I agree, that's what I said way back in post #9....

But the question is about enforcement of 14 'days' by a ranger who counts 14 (or 15) 'days' on his little log sheet.....so there-in lies the possible fuzzy definition...

I remember hearing a story on the other forum about a trailer-dweller receiving a citation on his 15th day at a campsite in a National Forest...I wasn't there, so I don't know what happened exactly. 

Me? I pack out on 'day' 14 or earlier.

[GotSmart]

You leave in the middle of the night before the rangers are awake. 

[rvpopeye]

Stay only 13 days and you will never have to worry about staying too long.

Simplest and best answer. Yeah , it's on the first page.
Not enough time left to spend so much time stressing over details.

[tx2sturgis]

You leave in the middle of the night before the rangers are awake. 

Saved me $40!