We have no privacy, even in our own woods

[Gr8ful]

Anyone ever heard of the SCOTUS doctrine of "Open Fields" before? Because it's pretty unsettling.

https://www.agweb.com/article/government...pen-fields

Sorry but you have to cut & paste the above links into a new window but what happened a guy in Tn found a game camera on HIS OWN property. It was unmarked so he cut it down as anyone would & took it home. A while later him home was surrounded swat style raided & searched.

Seated at his kitchen table, finishing off the remains of a Saturday breakfast, Hunter Hollingsworth’s world was rocked by footsteps on his front porch and pounding at the door, punctuated by an aggressive order: “Open up or we’ll kick the door down.”



Surrounded on all sides of his house, and the driveway blocked, Hollingsworth was the target of approximately 10 federal and state wildlife officials packing pistols, shotguns and rifles. And what was Hollingsworth’s crime? Drugs, armed robbery, assault, money laundering? Not quite.



Months prior, in 2018, the Tennessee landowner removed a game camera secretly strapped to a tree on his private land by wildlife officials in order to monitor his activity without apparent sanction or probable cause. Repeat: Hollingsworth’s residence was searched by U.S. government and state officials, dressed to the nines in assault gear, seeking to regain possession of a trail camera—the precise camera they had surreptitiously placed on his private acreage after sneaking onto his property at night, loading the camera with active SD and SIM cards, and zip-tying the device roughly 10’ high up a tree—all without a warrant.


Can the government place cameras and monitoring equipment on a private citizen’s land at will, or conduct surveillance and stakeouts on private land, without probable cause or a search warrant? Indeed, according to the U.S. Supreme Court’s (SCOTUS) interpretation of the Fourth Amendment. Welcome to Open Fields.





[url=https://www.agweb.com/article/government-cameras-hidden-private-property-welcome-open-fields][/url]

[Scott7022]

Land of the free. Think I’ll stay here. Lol. Wow if this is totally on the level I’d love to hear about the fall out. Seems to go against at least three statues. Alphabet agencies overstepping like the NSA did?

By on the level. I am not suggesting it bullshit. Just is there more to the story? Did they have probable cause. Like did he buy a ton of fertilizer last month. Is elements missing from this narrative.

You know what I am saying. Epstein hung himself type stuff. Lol.


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[B and C]

It appears to be centered around hunting. You can't hunt on your own property because the game belongs to the state. Sounds like the old king days where all the game belonged to the king. Your really just leasing the property from the tax man anyway.

Game cameras? Leave the property for a few hours (let the wife/child drive to town and drop you off out of site). Sneak up from behind the camera after waiting awhile and disable it, destroy it. Get them to pick you up on their way back in. No way to prove it was you even if it was live streaming. Or maybe better yet, stay out of site while you circle around.

[Gr8ful]

The farm owners around me go nuts when deer season starts just like the bucks do in the rut. I used to bear hunt in the UP but only shot one deer here on the farm & that was years ago when my sons started. We have a cabin in the back & a pond, my youngest son went so sleep & woke up with 24 deer around him.Never even got a shot. We had one guy hunted my friend Bills farm 300+ acres for free & Bill shot a deer, the guy went ballistic & said Bill shot his deer. He's a nice guy but has done this twice. The guy that owns the farm next to mine had a cow when a friend shot a nice buck that never came from his property. Never enough challenge & not worth the hassle to me. I just shoot steel.

[GotSmart]

In reading deeper in the story, the guy paid a fine for baiting doves previously. 

I know a few fish and game officials, and they don’t want trouble but like to keep people honest about hunting regulations.

[Scott7022]

Figured their was a little more under the carpet. Yup deer is a federal commodity in both countries and under the protection of the state/province/region or country.

Those boys got big budgets.

“Don’t step up if you can’t keep up. You’ll just die” Riddick.

Have a sexy orgy picnic in full view of the cam. Half the group will need therapy, the other 45% counseling and one retard will make a copy and share it it with one friend...and then.

Ca-Ching. You pull the offended card and get a lawyer. Read above. Those boys got big budgets. They will pay for it to just go away.

Always a tactical solution for any practical problem.


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[rvpopeye]

Exactly my point on the other post about the monster.
With that training and money too ?
I want her in YARC ! Probably the other one too..

[RoamerRV428]

The alleged surveillance may have origins partially related to 2016 hunting violations, Rainwaters says, when his son and a group of friends were ticketed for baiting doves:

and what other info did law enforcement get on 'him and his buddies' and what other operations are in play no one knows about etc. to catch criminals???


sucker ain't innocent by any count and once you are on some law enforcement radar they have the rights over you kinda but in the end..........basic simple rules in life....true freedom is an illusion for sure.

[GotSmart]

Game laws are something that I agree with. Remember the passenger pigeon and the Dodo. 

Imagine if we could eat a Dodo for thanksgiving.

[rvpopeye]

In the late 70s 80s a Russian fishing/processing fleet was operating off our shores.
now , menhaden/pogies are virtually wiped out.
(Our boys were out there catching and selling to the Russians all they could catch too....
and now they pay triple for those same fish to bait lobby traps with that were swimming onto shore there were so many before .....you can't fix it.
of course old playboy mags were worth vodka anytime too...skuh kuh kuh kuh)
Other species are affected as well , bluefish eat pogies etc. etc.

This last winter Shrimp were off limits for another year ,,, 3 or 4? IIRC .
I could go on and on...

IMO
Managment of fish and game and even trees are a necessary evil , ya know , to allow our kids to have a chance to screw it up too.
But this is the planet Greed after all... whadidya expect rubbaaaah biskiiit ?