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Interstate Batteries
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So if the only Batteries you could buy were Interstate for a solar set up would you buy 6or 12volt golf cart batteries?
There is another battery they sell that I think is a SRsomething or other.  There is one on the Aliner which also has a inverter. I can't get to it right now to see what it is.  I think it is a deep cycle battery.  Just Jim has had one on his TT for years.  I'm thinking that 200 or 300 watts should be a good starting point for me.  On the Safari I'll need to hang 1 panel over the drivers side rear window and maybe another across the back door on a swing away frame.

I'm still hoping I can keep & use the Aliner. There isn't much room on the rear roof section unless the rear 24X48 sky light is removed and the hole filled.  There is a steel cargo carrier on the rear of the TT so I'm wondering about someway to put a telescoping frame that would not stick up above the roof line to catch the wind while traveling down the road.

I got to much time on my hands.  I think I'LL go wash clothes.  Whoopee!!

Jewell Ann
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#2
I had a Interstate group 27 on my trailer for 6 years before giving it away still functioning at the RTR. I wasn't full time but it did get a lot of use as a test bed for my solar. Keeping it properly charged was a big part of it's longevity.

The last time I was in Solar Bill's he pointed at a rack of Interstate 6 volts and a rack of Trojan 6 volts and said they are made in the same factory. How true it is, I have no idea.

IF you have the room for a pair of 6 volts they will give you not only more usable power than a pair of group 27 12 volts, but more cycles too. (if taken care of)
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Interstate is a battery marketer, not a battery manufacturer, and the places which sell interstate batteries can portray themselves as battery guru's, but in fact they might be overwhelmingly ignorant and or dishonest, as they want to get the current stock off their shelves, not get you the best battery for your application.

That said, there is only ONE 12v wet/flooded battery which Interstate might market, that can be considered deep cycle, and that is:

https://www.interstatebatteries.com/prod...12-hcl-utl

It is likely manufactured by USbattery, as are their GC-2 6v golf cart batteries.

Now will the GC-12 last as long as the GC-2 depth of dicharge and recharge regiment being equal. i cannot say for sure, but I suspect not. But the GC12 will last significantly longer than a marine/dual purpose 12v battery in deep cycle duty all factors being equal.

So comparing the gc-12 ro GC-2, a pair of gc-2s for 12v will be about 220AH of capacity, a single GC-12 will have 150Ah of capacity.

AH per $, the GC-2 will likely be the best deal, and likely last longer in deep cycle duty, all factors being equal.

https://www.battsys.com/us-battery-us12v...12-battery

https://www.interstatebatteries.com/prod...c2-ecl-utl

But Does one really need 220Ah of capacity? if one only requires 150Ah of capacity then one GC-12 will be cheaper than two gc-2.

Then there is the philosophy of how much capacity to carry. Some people get a lot of warm and fuzzies from lots of battery capacity. The problem with this is if that larger amount of capacity is consumed, then larger amounts of solar or charging sources will be required to fully charge them. In theory the lesser % amount of discharge of more battery capacity should equate to more total cycles and a longer total life of the batteries, but that assumes that they are indeed getting fully recharged before the next discharge cycle begins, and fully recharging a larger capacity of batteries is more difficult, requiring more solar and or other charging sources applied in the morning.

A lesser amount of capacity does not give as much safety margin, but lesser amounts of solar wattage stand a better chance of being able to fully charge the battery by day's end, and reaching full charge before the next discharge begins, is excellent practice, but not always achieveable.

The other factor is weight. Two gc-2s will be about 130 Lbs and take up more space than a single gc12 at about 82 Lbs. 50 Lbs does make a difference in Mpg's, especially crossing mountain ranges, especially in a smaller Van/vehicle.

Now my personal philosophy regarding capacity, has changed dramatically since I first got solar. I used to have 345 Ah total capacity including the engine battery, and 130 watts of solar. I was rarely getting more than 2 years from those marine group 27's cycling 2 of them( 230AH). When I switch from 2 g27s to one g31 as my house bank, I got 3 years, carrying less weight and spending 130 vs 230$. So in my case lesser capacity lasted longer for less money.

When that group 31 wore out, I was down to my g27 AGM battery which had primaraly been use for engine starting duty/ house battery backup, and saw that i could use that battery exclusively for both engine starting and house battery duty.

So I basically went from 345 total Ah capacity, to 90Ah total. 170Lbs of battery to 74Lbs, This northstar AGM battery turned 5 years old last November and has over 1000 Deep cycles on it. granted it was a 350$ battery and i could not keep ti happy via solar alone as it has high amp recharge requirements that solar cannot meet.

Personally, in an Astro/safari I would carry one single GC-12, with as much solar as one could stuff on the roof, and do my best to not need to suck more than 75AH from it nightly.

The 50% rule is kind of BS too. Reading the internet one might think that if they take the Lead Acid battery below 50% charged they are instantly and irretreivably reducing the capacity of the battery. This is noot really true. One can take the battery lower, as loong as they can recharge it fully before the next discharge cycle begins. Discharging it below 50% simply makes it more difficult to fully charge it, especially via solar alone, before the next discharge cycle begins.

I have hundreds of deep cycles on my current agm battery to well below 50%, and I took it there knowinng I could tthe next day, plug in to reach a true full charge with high initial amperage and a solar all day thereafter thing, or high alternator morning amperage followed by solar.

There is No one right answer as to how much battery capacity to carry. My personal opinion learned/modified over the last 12 years since I first got solar, is to not carry huge amounts of capacity, as it gives false warm and fuzzies. My warm and fuzzies now come from excess charging ability with voltage optimized charging sources. I have 200 watts of solar on my roof for 90Ah of AGM battery, and a 100 watt portable panel I can break out. I'd much rather have more solar than more battery capacity, but I also rarely require more than 60AH of capcaity overnight.

Less battery capacity means less weight to bring upto speed and slow down, and as RVs are usually overloaded, I'll gladly carry less weight in lead.

When i had a group31 USbattery as my house bank, I found out that it required high absorption voltages (14.9v) held for longer, than expected( pretty much all afternoon) , to reach full charge. Healthy gc-2s do not require this extended absorption voltage duration, meaninng they are easier to fully recharge. If I did not spend a lot of time experimenting, using a hydrometer, i would never have gotten 3 years out of that 12v group 31 marine battery. Will the 150Ah GC-12 be as stubborn in regards to getting that last few % of charge into, I cannot say, as I have not cycled one. i do suspect it will be quicker to get to a true full charge, but no actual data.

The GC-12 size group is also available in AGM. The Trojan t-1275 is a gc-12 size group, and I would much rather have one of those than a US battery/ interstate branded gc-12
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(I really enjoy it when SW does that ^ , it helps me to remember the things that I forgot ,,,to remember.Skuh kuh kuh)

TJB
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I'm x2^SW , the 12volt one .


Iza gutts more queskions fer yuz bhuzkfore ya decidesk .
This is for the Aliner right ?
The battery in it is a size ? (group24 , group29 , group31 ..or inches x inches) and 12volts , yes ?
Is there 2 of them ?
Is there room for a bigger one(s) ?
(height + footprint on the floor , the 6volt deep cycle ie:golf cart batts are about 2" taller , not sure about the 12v ) 
Or do you plan on putting battery someplace else or modifying the place it is now ?

I know it's almost impossible to guess before you get started but how much power you actually use is usually the best place to start in designing solar set ups.

Not usually the case in a first system.
 
Going at it from the other end......
The amount of total panel watts you can fit , on the roof and other locations including portable (ground or picnic table) mounted . Or can afford.

AND the amount of sun you are lucky to be under.  

Will control your ability to keep the battery-ies happy by putting everything you use back in. 

This will also tell you something about the battery that's right for you.

SO , The amount of power you use , the size of your panel(s) in total watts (really changes depending on the amount of sun you get ) , and the amp hour capacity of the batteries (how many gallons of electricity they can hold)
and battery maintenance changes the variables too !

ALL decide what ALL the other ones need to be. See why solar systems are so hard to design ?

Baby steps.......... Cool Oh yeah I almost forgot the most important part,,,, If Queenie lays on the panels,,,you'll need more of them. Tongue
stay tuned 
  Cool
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Thats a great point. i had not considered the A liner or the size of its battery compartment.

2 6v GC-2s might be too tall to fit. They are 11 inches tall.

The GC-12 is 10 &11/16" tall to the top of the terminals

that 5/16" inch difference might make or break the particular ability to stuff the desired battery into place.

If there is only a 10 inch height allowance then one is stuck with 12v marine batteries in the group 24/27/31 size groups, or perhaps AGM batteries on their sides. No flooded marine battery will be able to achieve as many deep cycles as a true deep cycle battery like the GC-2 or the GC-12, all factors being equal.

So measuring the battery compartment of the A liner is pretty paramount to going forward in any battery decision and then one can also taylor the amount of solar to that battery capacity.

or if limited roof space dictates no more than X amount of solar, then the battery capacity should not be excessive for that amount of solar wattage, but other charginng sources can vary the solar to battery capacity ratio, greatly, depending on the ability to plug in or charge underway, and refining those charging sources is a whole other matter.

but in general a battery on a towed vehicle is not going to charge well from the tow vehicle unless thick copper reaches from alternator to towed RV batteries. One cannot expect much charging current to reach trailer batteries through stock 7 pin connectors.

I have been looking and comparing pics of the interstate and USbattery equivalent sizes, and Well, USbattery makes a pretty good battery, but Interstate likely sources batteries differently in different regions fo the country.

On another forum the Interstate GC-2s were thought to be rebranded trojan t-605s, which is the more budget friendly lighterweight 6v GC-2 in their lineup, where the T-105 and the T105RE are the benchmark GC-2. Later on someone did the pic comparison thing and said it was far more likely they were manufactured by some other company and I could not disagree.

The Point is that Interstate is a widely recognized brand name, but the Interstate battery bought in Alabama might be made by a different company alltogether than the one bought in California, and they do not provide the consumer with this information so they can make a better informed decision.

So if one were going by internet hearsay/sawread as to battery quality via brand name, not only is it pretty much meaningless without knowing how those batteries were treated, but any comparisons are basically impossible unless they are made by the same outfit, on the same line, around the same general time.

Even then no two batteries behave exactly the same, even from the same outfit/line and date.

So measure the battery compartment. Measure the roof space available for solar.

Without these two basic limiting factors known, then half assed guessing is all that can be done, and why use half an ass when the other buttcheeck is right there?

More important to longevity is how they are treated and recharged. If free of defects, The best possible lead acid battery if chronically undercharged, will not last as long as the worst battery quickly returned to full charge.
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I actually understood most of what y'all said Smile
Huh  Now Q & I are gonna have a lie down.........Our heads they are a spinning Confused

I think the Safari and the Aliner are going to each need a solar system with a way to connect the two when that  might be needed.

I usually have a 3 to 6mo supply of 2 different insulins on hand so a reliable source of energy for refrigeration is a concern for me.  The Aliner has a 3 way frig.  I know it works on shore power.  However, I haven't tried it on propane or the 12volt system since I bought it.  The dealer where I bought said the owners had told him the frig didn't work on gas.  He said it just needed to have a good cleaning and he had it working fine. I do have my 1,000watt Champion gas generator as a power source too.

I was thinking how strange and sometimes quite wonderfull my life has been at times.  Most important for me it has rarely been boring  
   Smile  When I was 29ys old I was newly divorced after being married for 11ys.  I decided I wanted a travel trailer so I bought one.  The Aliner is my 3rd pop up and my 10th Travel trailer.  I never hesitated to go somewhere with any of them or set one up and do the hook ups  by myself.  It's a wonder I never blew one up or set one on fire either.

I can never remember Mama cooking on anything except a General Electric cook stove.  Now I have the Aliner & the small frig is down on the floor.  Which is gonna be a pain in my back everytime I use it. The 2 burner cooktop is almost in the tiny sink.  I never use my T.T.s water storage tanks.  Well at least I'll use the microwave,  AC, It does have a cable hook up and a telephone jack.  The best part for me is the high pointed ceiling.  Except for the ceiling I'd be happy with a Cargo trailer!  

 I think owning anything that will put a roof over my head has been the best security blanket I have had.  I think if I ever become a home owner again I just want a nice size 1room cabin with a big covered porch and a TT sitting on one side of the porch.  AND SHADE TREES?? .And Solar and a water catchment system and a composting toilet ala Humanure Handbook.

Has Spring Sprung Already?  I have 2 white heirloom bearded iris blooming today.

Jewell Ann
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   I JUST GO NORMAL FROM TIME TO TIME
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Sounds nice..........but you still need to try to tell
us more , about the space in your batt compartment for starters...

Add the Safari roof to panel fitting list......

Do you have or can borrow a tape measure ?
Maybe you can get Queenie to bring you to the dollar tree ?
stay tuned 
  Cool
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I can measure the Aliner roof space easily even with it set up like it is now.

I'll need to move some boxes to get to the Aliner. Battery.  It and  the converter? Inverter? Are all stuffed down it what used to be a small dinnette bench.  

I didn't think to much about the placement of things until I'd had it a few months.  Because all the walls hinge aand the roof panels slope it really losses at lot of useable space.  

Between running my head into the sloping ceiling going to the frig or the couch in the other end of the trailer and forgetting to duck going from the passenger compartment to the cab or out the side door in the van it's a wonder my brain functions as well as it does.!


I'LL go measure the Aliner roof in the next few days.  The Safari has a fiberglass turtle top that so far doesn't leak.  So I think I need to look at other panel mounting options.

I did make a little more progress at the storage unit today.  I sat down on a upturned milk crate today.  Damn it was a long way to the ground!!  I thought Deb might have kicked it out from under me there for a second or two  Huh

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I vote for 2x 6v flooded golf carts.
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I also vote 2 6v GC batteries & Rural King has Excide DEEP CYCLE GCs for $79. I've had great luck with these.
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