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Direct Mount Solar Panels
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Drilling actual round holes, instead of triangular, can be done more easily with stepped drill bits.

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I have two sets of harbor freight specials and they are holding up remarkably well and get a lot of use.

I will still use one of the center punches and drill a small pilot hole on precision applications, but If I can used a stepped drill but on the application, it is used.

One thing aout the curved surfaces of vehicle roofs, and flat panels, is that even slight breezes will evacuate a lot of air inbetween the panel and roof due to that curve, as the far side creates a low pressure inbetween which the high pressure side tries to fill.

Flat panels over a flat surface such as a stick and brick roof, will have much less airflow under them and output should significantly increase with more room under them.

I'd have no fear of loss of output from plat panels mounted in close proximity to a curved roof. I would have mounted my Kyocera panel even closer, but its junction box was the biggest limiting factor.

One thing which would help panels stay cooler, would be if the underside were a dark color. It would radiate more heat from higher emissivity of dark colors. Though it would radiate this extra heat to vehicle roof in our applications, on a stick and brick this should not be an issue whatsoever, and this radiated heat would make the panels slightly cooler, and thus output more juice, but No panels come with dark undersides, that I know of.

So either nobody has ever though of applyng this scientific fact of emissivity to solar panel reduction of heat, or it simply make so little difference that a light or dark undersiders make no difference in real world usage.

It would be interesting to do an actual side by side temperature measurement of the same panel's output, one with 1 inch spacers and one with 2 inch.

I hypothesise any difference, would be small, and could likely be made up for in thicker wire to solar controller.

I'll not be performing the test.
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(06-07-2018, 09:48 AM)MN C Van Wrote: I did make spacers longer to begin with, but cut them down to bare minimum clearance for obvious reasons.
The system is so over paneled, even if were to lose over 50%, it wouldn't matter

However, if someone has a raised panel fetish, all you need is longer spacers!

Thank you for sharing info on your install!  I am with you on Team Overpanel.  :-)

I have noted a panel re-rediation issue on my own build which might be interesting for others thinking about different panel air gaps.  My panels have a fetish-worthy 5" gap due to the geometry of the rack.  I just went out with a temp gun and measured temps on my white van under full cloud cover*:

Underside of panels:  125F
Rooftop shaded by panel: 110F
Rooftop not shaded by panel:  106F

I have noted elsewhere that in direct sun interior temps (measured through 2" of ceiling polyiso insulation) were 2F higher under the panels than under the unshaded roof. 

This may be due to peculiarities of my own setup, or it may be another gap size factor worth considering .  As you say, spacers can be adjusted at any time if it were an issue.





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My phone did not load the pictures earlier. Now that I can see, it is about the same distance as my old system. Up about an inch over the metal roof. 

I used the rack so I could remove everything as a unit. There is almost no wrong way to install a small system. (Please Jim, don’t start with the bad installation storytelling).  Wink

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The IR temp guns on reflective surfaces often do not 'reflect' the proper actual temperature.

Like on My aluminum radiator's top tank, at full temp it was reading 112f with gun placed directly on radiator, but I put a black piece of gaffer's tape on the radiator and Aimed IR gun there, and found 204f.
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When used with sheet metal, the uni-bits also help de-bur the hole, especially if you can go back in from the other side and 'smooth' the cut.
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Interesting measurements....

I just went out and 'shot' the temps on mine (full sun here, ambient about 95f)

134f on the bare white roof

132f roof surface under the panels

164f on the top of the panels

146f on the underside surface of the panels

Maybe I know where to put my suntea jug now!
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