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Bear fence - What should I know?
#21
I was going to say that I am a country boy and have watched horses and cows lean against a electric fence once they get use to the shock. That said the video shows that the bears are trying to find a way past and the next video in line proves my point.

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#22
little dogs?



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#23
The issue with bear fences is they kinda work. Wabbit I am not mocking you or making fun. As Jim pointed out it is far better to practice bear safe practices than it is to use technology. It is kind of the same reason I have never and will never teach rape self defence. I have taught and will teach Situational Awareness to groups but not how to phyically disable attackers. Why? It is a false sense of security that does little to adeqetely address the core issue.

For Bears... Black bears in North America are curious dogs and about as dangerous as dogs. While they are bigger the threat of these creatures is minimal. They are omnivores and scavengers and like Dogs love an easy lunch. If they get habituated to people and food they become a problem. So learn and follow good bear practice skills and avoid issues. This does serveral things the electric fence will not do. It keeps out skunks, squirrls, ferets and other vermin like mice and rats from your food. The fence does nothing to deter these creatures.

If we are talking Grizzley bears then the fence will just piss them off. They will just push through the shock, if they feel it through the fur and fat and then stick four inches of claw into your door jam and rip the door off the hinges. If you are between the berries or bacon then you will get hurt. Badly!

I have seen Grizzleys bounce on "bear-proof" buckets till the space age super plastic cracks and pops open spuing good tasting Hipster Approved Super Granola all over the ground. I even saw one Highly Intelligent Bear stick a single claw tip into a lock hasp of a padlock and force it open.

This being said I have tent camped in areas dirty with Grizzleys and have walked across feilds filled with them. They are not afraid of humans and so the defence trait only happens if they have cubs. If they have a better food source they will ignore you. Unless you try to eat their black berries and even then they will false charge and roar and you will shit your pants and run.

Learn bear area safe cooking and camp sterile practices and save the money for something you really need. That said I still carry bear spray for habituated problem bears. Bells are a waste of money too unless you are Navy Seal, Marine Scout, Delta Operator and the like as you already make enough bloody noise walking in the bush.

The Big cats however appreciate the effort and thoughtfulness as it allows the toy they found to play with make noise for a longer period of time than the short time it takes to bleed out from a cougar attack.

Humans are significantly more dangerous animals than any of the wild variety. Relax, lose the fear (wrapped in the preperation wrapper), and just enjoy the wild understanding what changes you from observer to prey. Knowledge is our sharpest weapon.
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#24
I'm just guessing, but my thoughts are that a charging, surprised, or 'hangry' grizzly wont be slowed by an electric fence, he or she will just charge and run it over...

But maybe a curious, meandering, somewhat hungry bear in a good mood, might feel the shock and move on. 

I think the point of the video is that the human food supply is surrounded by the fence, not the campers. 

(Disclaimer: The three statements above are opinion, not fact, as I have ZERO experience with grizzly bears....and I like it that way!)
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(05-17-2018, 12:17 AM)justjim Wrote: I was going to say that I am a country boy and have watched horses and cows lean against a electric fence once they get use to the shock. That said the video shows that the bears are trying to find a way past and the next video in line proves my point.


I don't like this video. I liked my video...lol.

Nothing is foolproof, and a charging bear would bust right through a fence. Now I'm kinda on the "fence" about looking into this further. I'm thinking I will, but I don't think it will have the priority of the bear mace I plan on getting. Would love to hear about how that is useless too. Except, I'm already ahead of that! The bear mace is for people! Lol...no...

Anyways, thnx for the links and advice. I do appreciate it, was a little beer sensitive yesterday...
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(05-16-2018, 10:02 AM)Motrukdriver Wrote: If you have a place to store them, bear boards are very effective in deterring bears from trying to get inside your camper.  Plywood with nails in them pointing up.  Just don't forget they are on the ground when you stumble outside to pee at 2am.

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I have made some of these to deploy around the BOL for "Zombies". I painted them camo using the foliage where I would be putting them as patterns when spray painting them. They will be deployed inside the board fence that some Zombie might jump over at night. 
I also keep a good amount of roofing nails and caltrops in my truck in case of emergencies and some Zombie is trailing me.
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#27
in the wild you will most likely never see a bear,just their tracks,it's the near cities and parks were they are used to humans that you might come in contact,give them a easy out and they will almost always take it,if not act like one of those cats and chase it off

in the parks they are used to humans and raised to steal food,so you just cant leave stuff out
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#28
My cat is all I need. He runs the campsite.
Compared to parenting, Cat herding is less complicated
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(05-17-2018, 11:12 AM)Gary Wrote: in the wild you will most likely never see a bear,just their tracks,it's the near cities and parks were they are used to humans that you might come in contact,give them a easy out and they will almost always take it,if not act like one of those cats and chase it off

in the parks they are used to humans and raised to steal food,so you just cant leave stuff out
My bear repellent will be a S&W M&P .40 cal with double stack mag. (+ extra mags)
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#30
My theory is if a bear fence makes you comfortable, then do it. Telling someone not to be scared of something isn't good advice. If fears were as easy as turning off a light switch, than no one would have any fears. How many people are scared of mice, spiders, bees, snakes, baiting a fish hook?, etc. Fears are rarely rational, moose are far more dangerous, but you never hear anyone scared to sleep in moose country. My uncle worked his entire career for Alaska Fish & Game. He personally knew a person trampled to death by moose and countless number of dog teams trampled by Moose. He himself had encounters with moose. Never had a bear encounter with 30 years in the field, none of his colleagues had any encounters with bears but everyone of them slept with a loaded gun in bear country and didn't give moose country a second thought.

About the only thing we're guaranteed in life is death, a bear fence may not stop every bear but they will definitely stop some. And it's hard to put a price tag on a good nights sleep.
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